Dr. Deborah Dennie has led Leonardtown Middle School for ten years. She reads attendance, discipline, and grade data together — and it changed her school’s culture. A Maryland Principal of the Year and NASSP national finalist on data-driven leadership that is really people-driven.
It is amazing to me how many people I “meet” in these interviews that just feel like friends. Deborah may be talking data-driven but she’s really talking people-driven and the data just helps. She’s an award-winning NASSP middle school principal, yes, but in the end, she just loves the students and staff she works with and treats them with respect. When you put people first and you use data to surface people issues, then people thrive.
So, in this show, she talks about how she uses data with her assistant principals, her teachers, and with attendance data. She also shares some of her strategies she uses to help both students and teachers care about improvement. And her personal story is also encouraging. Dr. Deborah Dennie is going to take us into data-driven school success that is really just people success. Let’s learn!
“We also have to look at those other things that make up a part of the culture of the building, because if the kids are not present, they’re not learning.”
Dr. Deborah Dennie
Principal, Leonardtown Middle School, St. Mary’s County, MD
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Key Takeaways for Educators from Dr. Deborah Dennie
- Her first year, she changed nothing on purpose. “I’m just going to look and I’m going to listen,” she says — because her predecessor had built something over eight or nine years and she did not want to be the principal who walks in and takes it away. That restraint is the leadership move most of us skip.
- Data is not just the gradebook. Every two weeks she sits down with her assistant principals and her resource teacher and reads instructional data, attendance data, discipline data, and climate data together — because the failing grades often trace straight back to empty seats.
- She turns the data into something students want to win. Improve the discipline numbers by the end of October and the whole school gets a classic car show, judged by the students, with community members bringing their cars. The kids know exactly why they earned it.
- When it’s hard, she calls her people. Her word to tired teachers is not a strategy — it’s to find the one person you can call at the end of an awful day. “They have your back.”
Try This Tomorrow
Pull one grade level’s failing list and that same grade level’s attendance report, and lay them side by side. Circle every student who shows up on both. That overlap is Dr. Dennie’s whole point — and you can find it in a single planning period with the reports you already have.
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About Dr. Deborah Dennie


Deborah Dennie, EdD, has served as the principal of Leonardtown Middle School in St. Mary’s County, MD, for 10 years, providing steady, visionary leadership grounded in high expectations and genuine care. During her tenure, she has strengthened instructional practice through data-driven decision-making, elevated student accountability, and cultivated a culture of continuous professional growth among educators.
Widely recognized as a mentor and advocate, she empowers staff to pursue leadership opportunities and expand their professional capacity, contributing to improved teaching and learning outcomes schoolwide while prioritizing the emotional and physical well-being of students and staff. She ensures instructional time is purposeful, distractions are minimized, and collaborative planning is both funded and prioritized. This shared focus has resulted in rising proficiency, greater equity in classrooms, and stronger student readiness for high school and beyond. Dr. Dennie is a NASSP 2026 Middle Level National Principal of the Year finalist.
Connect with Dr. Dennie: LinkedIn
Data Driven Resources for Teachers and Administrators
AI Prompts To Get You Started
I wanted to give you some samples that work to help you as you get started. As always, make sure your AI tools are approved by your schools.
What she did: Dr. Dennie reviews her building’s data every two weeks — and not just grades. Attendance, discipline, climate — all of it. AI can help you start a similar habit, whether you lead a classroom or a building. Below are two prompts you can copy and use this week, plus what you need to know before any student data goes near an AI tool. Also, administrators can build data dashboards. AJ Juliani talked about this recently on Cool Cat Teacher Talk.
STEP 1: Protect Student Privacy
Remove ALL of this before any data goes into an AI tool: student names, student/state ID numbers, birthdates, addresses and contact info, IEP/504 or services status, discipline details tied to a student, and any demographic detail that could identify a student in a small group. Rename students “Student 1, Student 2…” and keep your key on paper — never in the chat. If a subgroup has fewer than 10 students, report it as a group total, not individuals.
The teacher versions are safer — but anonymize anyway. ChatGPT for Teachers (free for verified U.S. K–12 educators through June 2027) does not use what you share to train models by default and is built with FERPA requirements in mind. Claude for Teachers runs under K–12 terms with a FERPA-aligned data processing agreement, and Anthropic states it will not train on your inputs or outputs. I’ve walked through exactly how to sign up for both in Free AI for Teachers: How to Get Claude and ChatGPT Free. Those are real protections a personal free account does not have — but privacy experts still urge caution. You are the one responsible for student records under FERPA, so de-identify first, every time.
And check your district: use a tool your district has approved, and follow your district’s AI and student-data policies.
STEP 2: Get Question Level Data from Your Tools
One of the most useful things you can do after you give any kind of assessment is to look at the question data. A class average can’t tell you what to reteach. You need per-question (or per-standard) data. Most assessment tools will hand it to you:
- Wayground (formerly Quizizz): open the activity’s report and download it — you get a spreadsheet with question-by-question accuracy for every student.
- Kahoot!: download the spreadsheet report from any game — it includes per-question performance.
- ExamView (the Assessment Suite many textbook programs use): the Test Manager’s reports include an item analysis showing how the class performed on each question, which you can export.
- Google Forms quizzes, Canvas, Schoology, and most LMS gradebooks export results as a spreadsheet or CSV too — and if you use Blooket, Gimkit, Formative, or Edulastic, look in the reports section: most will let you download a question-level spreadsheet as well. (Often called a CSV – see below.)
Then attach your files instead of pasting data into the chat — it’s cleaner, keeps the formatting intact, and works with the file you already have. De-identify your results export inside the file first: open it, delete the name and ID columns, replace them with Student 1, Student 2…, and save with a new name. Be careful to save or you may accidentally upload the data with the names in it.
What’s a CSV? Just a plain-text spreadsheet: one row per student, columns separated by commas. Every tool above can produce one (or an Excel file, which works the same way). A csv export might look like this. See the commas…
Student,Q1 (6.NS.1),Q2 (6.NS.1),Q3 (6.EE.2),Score
Student 1,correct,incorrect,correct,67%
Student 2,incorrect,incorrect,correct,33%
STEP 3: Build Your Prompts
How these prompts are built
A quick word about the prompts below, because the how matters as much as the copy-paste:
- Name the job, not a person. Each prompt opens with “You are a [role]” plus a job description. That’s not pretending the AI is human. Instead, it is a job description that focuses the output on the work you need done. If you have a job description of what you want AI to do, state the job. It unlocks capabilities you might not know about.
- Skip the small talk. No “please,” no “thank you” — an AI tool isn’t a person and doesn’t need politeness to perform. State the task, the data, and the format you want. And when you don’t get what you want, tell it clearly and what is wrong.
- Number what you want back. Numbered requests help produce better results.
SAMPLE PROMPT #1: Prompt for teachers — after any quiz, test, or unit assessment
Replace the words in the brackets that look like this [what you type there] with the word that is needed there. When you have a prompt you like, put it in your prompt library.
Attach: (1) your de-identified question-level results export (2) the test you gave (with key)
You are an instructional data analyst for a [grade level] [subject] teacher. Your job is to find patterns in de-identified assessment data and recommend next instructional steps. Attached are two files: (1) the question-level results export — de-identified, no student names or IDs, students listed as Student 1, Student 2, etc.; (2) the assessment itself, so you can see what each question actually asked. 1. Identify the weakest standards, concepts, and question types, and note which students show similar gaps. 2. Sort students into three groups — reteach, practice, extend — and suggest one small-group activity for each group. 3. State what this data cannot tell us and what to watch for in class. 4. Write three questions to bring to my collaborative planning meeting. 5. Write an improved, reusable version of this prompt for my next assessment, based on what you needed most from these files.
SAMPLE PROMPT #2: Prompt for principals and admin teams — modeled on Dr. Dennie’s two-week data review
Attach: your de-identified building reports. Data might be failure rates by course section vs. building average, attendance percentages, top discipline categories (anonymized – see above).
You are a school-improvement data analyst for a [school level] principal. Your job is to connect academic, attendance, and discipline data into a picture of what is happening in the building and what to investigate next. Attached are de-identified building reports — no student names or IDs. The files are: [describe each file you attach — e.g., failure rates by course section vs. building average, attendance percentages, top discipline categories] 1. Flag the sections above the building-average failure rate and list contributing factors worth investigating — instructional and non-instructional. 2. Cross-reference: where do attendance or discipline patterns line up with academic gaps? 3. Write three pointed but supportive questions to send the relevant teachers, in the spirit of: What are we doing for the kids who are failing? Are we reteaching? Are we looking at the standards? 4. Recommend one incentive or culture move aimed at the biggest non-academic driver in this data. 5. Write an improved, reusable version of this prompt for my next data review, based on what you needed most from these files.
Pro Tips For Better Results
- Show it what “good” looks like. Attach two more files — a de-identified sample of your data and a report or result you liked. Name them clearly: sample-data and sample-report. Then add one line to the prompt: “Match the format of sample-report.” The AI builds on what already works for you, and the output gets noticeably better.
- Name every file you attach something you can reference in the prompt — “unit-4-results,” “unit-4-test” — instead of “export(3).xlsx.”
STEP 4: Make Your Data Task Repeatable
Dr. Dennie’s data review happens every two weeks — the power is in the routine, not the one-off. If this becomes your routine too, stop rebuilding the prompt from scratch: request #5 in each prompt above has the AI write your next, better prompt for you.
Save it in your own prompt library. And if you work in one tool regularly, build the routine right in — in Claude you can package it as a Skill, and in ChatGPT you can turn it into a custom GPT. Either way, next time it’s one click instead of twenty minutes.
For Spreadsheet Analysis: Excel and Google Sheet Resources
If your data lives in a spreadsheet, you may not need to attach it anywhere:
- Copilot in Excel — when you’re signed in with your school (work/school) account. If your school has an account (double check with them), Microsoft’s enterprise data protection applies: your prompts and data stay in your school’s tenant and are not used to train the underlying models. If you’re signed in with a personal account, those protections don’t apply — check which account you’re in before you touch student data.
- Gemini in Google Sheets — yes, Gemini does spreadsheets, right inside Sheets. With a Google Workspace for Education account, enterprise-grade data protection applies and your school’s content is not used to train the models. Same rule as Copilot: know which account you’re signed into.
- Claude for Excel — Anthropic’s add-in reads and works with your spreadsheet directly (available on paid Claude plans). Data handling follows your Claude account’s settings, so know what plan and settings you’re on before using it with school data.
- Whichever you use, the anonymize-first rule above still applies. The tool changes; your FERPA responsibility doesn’t.
One last thing: the AI’s answer is the starting point for your team’s conversation — not the decision. As Dr. Dennie reminds us, the numbers only matter because of the kids behind them.
MORE Free Resources on Data-Driven Leadership
Ready to dig into the kind of all-encompassing data work Dr. Dennie describes? Here are some more resources to get you started:
From my archive:
Data tools and research:
- Attendance Works — Data Tools (schools & districts; free self-calculators): Dr. Dennie’s 94% attendance push is exactly what these support — calculate chronic absence and spot the students who need you. This organization gives free quantitative analysis tools relating to attendance. If you’re focusing on attendance you might want to start here. attendanceworks.org/resources/data-tools
- Attendance Works — Principals Leading Attendance Toolkit (school leaders): free guidance for using chronic-absence data to decide which students need additional supports. View the toolkit
- IES Practice Guide: Using Student Achievement Data to Support Instructional Decision Making (K–12 teachers & leaders; free PDF): the What Works Clearinghouse’s research-based recommendations for making data an ongoing cycle of improvement — the research behind what Dr. Dennie practices. Download from IES
More free AI prompt libraries for educators:
Meet all of the NASSP 2026 Finalists.
- NASSP 2026 National Principal of the Year Finalists — meet Dr. Dennie and her fellow finalists; great examples to share with an aspiring leader you’re mentoring. See the finalists · Connect with Dr. Dennie on LinkedIn.
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Episode Transcript
This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki
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Vicki Davis (00:01): Happy Motivational Monday. If you think that you can’t have an awesome, warm, friendly school that is also data-driven, today’s guest, Deborah Dennie, will motivate you to realize that you can have a data-driven school that’s also a great place to work.
Announcer (00:23): This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.
Vicki Davis (00:27): Today, we’re talking with Dr. Deborah Dennie, Principal of Leonardtown Middle School in St. Mary’s County, Maryland. Dr. Dennie has led her school for 10 years and has been named a 2026 NASSP National Middle Level Principal of the Year finalist. She’s Maryland’s Middle School Principal of the Year. We have a lot to talk about, but we’re going to talk a lot about data-driven leadership and how it can transform a school culture, and put students on the path to success. So thanks for coming on the show, Debbie.
Dr. Deborah Dennie (01:08): Thanks for having me, Vicki.
Vicki Davis (01:09): Debbie, you started your teaching career in 1986, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Can you take me back to that moment and what drew you into education and what was it like teaching in those early years?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (01:23): At that point in time, I didn’t think I would get to teach because I was so young and growing up in St. Vincent and the Grenadines, once I graduated from high school, a pathway to teaching is a bit different from the way it is in the U.S. And so I was told way back then that, oh, you were too young to teach. I, believe it or not, ended up being a shoe department manager for a year until the Ministry of Education called me and I started to teach in mid-year. I was 17-year-old then teaching 15-year-old boys. It was a task, but I stayed in it. I have always wanted to teach. I think that was the drive to continue along those parts. I did take break once I had my girls, and I stayed home with them. And then I went back out. My husband and I moved here to the U.S. So it’s been a journey, and it’s been a pleasant one. I take everything, the good, the bad, the ugly. And there hasn’t been a whole lot of uglies, really, because I enjoy what I do.
Vicki Davis (02:32): And you’re a middle years. That’s not the easiest season of life to lead a school for, you know?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (02:38): No. They give us a run for our money. The classic middle child.
Vicki Davis (02:42): Debbie, you’ve been at Leonardtown Middle School for a decade now. So when you first walked through those doors as a principal, what did you see that needed to change? And what did you see that you wanted to protect?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (02:55): Leonardtown Middle School has, there wasn’t a whole lot for me to change at that point in time. To be honest, my first year, I came in and I thought, I’m just going to look and I’m going to listen. I didn’t change a thing because I did not want to be the principal to come in and just take away everything that everybody had for however long, because my predecessor had been here eight to nine years. That wasn’t my goal, to come in and simply change things. I needed to assess. I needed to look. I needed to listen, see if there was anything that I needed to, quote unquote, put my stamp on. So really and truly, I didn’t come in with the intention of changing anything right off the bat. I thought I would look at it, assess, and in that first year, if I saw anything that I needed to change, then I would do so gradually.
Vicki Davis (03:48): I love that humble attitude. What does data-driven leadership look like in your school on a Tuesday morning, for example?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (03:55): Let’s just pick any morning. Every two weeks, I look at our passback. I look to see how the kids progress in. I look to see how that means for the teachers as well, because it’s not just about the kids. We have to have the teachers on board. So I will go through and I will take a look at that data with my assistant principals and my resource teacher. And we go through, we go through all of these. We look to see, okay, there are so many Fs. This is the average because assessment and accountability would send us that average for all of the content areas and overall average, and then broken down by content, even the unified arts. We look at all of these things and I look to see, all right, maybe in sixth grade core math, the average percentage of F’s would be eight or nine percent. But as a building average, it’s five percent. Then I look to see who is over that building average. If you’re above that building average, then you’re going to be hearing from me. I’ll be copying the resource teacher. And then I send out some pointed questions. Why is there this gap? You know, what are we doing for those kids who are failing? What are we doing for those kids? Are we reteaching? Are we looking at the standards? All of these things we look at. However, it’s not just about that. For me, it goes beyond that instructional piece. We’re a school, so it has to be about the instruction. What it goes to is you talked earlier about the culture and that means you have to be present because maybe the reason why X number of kids have so many F’s because they’re not coming to school. So we have to get them into school. So when I think about data, it’s not just that instructional piece, the A’s, the B’s, the F’s, the county formative assessments or the state testing. Yes, all important. We’re not going to get anywhere if we don’t pay attention to those. We also have to look at those other things that make up a part of the culture of the building, because if the kids are not present, they’re not learning. So it means that part of that data, I also have to look at the attendance data. I also have to look at the discipline data. I have to look at so many pieces of data. So I don’t want to get it lost in the sense that it’s just about the instructional data, because part of what makes that instructional data what it is depends on the others, the attendance data, the discipline data. For goodness sakes, the cultural climate data from the teachers and the kids. So for me, it’s all encompassing. And that is something that we pay close attention to for discipline. And we start out the school year paying a lot of attention on discipline data, actually, because we figure if we don’t want to lose time addressing discipline concerns. So we look at the discipline data, we look at where we were last year at that time, and we actually pose a challenge to the kids. If you can better what we looked like on paper last year, and most of the times I focus on like the top five areas that we got the discipline data in. I look at the top five most challenging areas, and we address those. If they look better by end of October, well, guess what? Everybody gets to participate in a classic car show. We invite our community members who own classic cars. They come in, they line up their cars, the student leaders come out, they assist with everything, but every grade level gets to spend some time outside looking at classic cars and they actually judge for the best in show. The community loves it, the kids love it, and we, the teachers and administrators, love it because we know they get to do that because they’re behaving. It’s trying to keep that culture, that climate, that academics, everything rolling to one. So that’s how we use the data.
Vicki Davis (08:06): And you seem to be great with the community. Did you have an attendance emphasis with Miss Maryland? Did you have something with her?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (08:13): Yes, yes, we did. And it was fabulous because we had that, we had the classic car show in the fall and so on. And everybody knows it’s getting to be springtime. It is. The winter, you’re cooped up. We have so many snow days. We lose time. And then it’s coming close and everybody wants spring. We want it. We want it. We want it. But then we have a few warm days and the kids are like, I’m going to stay home or it snowed and it’s too cold outside. We’re just going to stay home. So we try to incentivize. And that’s that’s one of the things I incentivize everything. We thought at first that we invite a lot of the professional teams in the Maryland, Virginia, D.C. area. But that didn’t go as well as we wanted it to. And then I thought, well, maybe we should stay a little close to home. Let’s see what we can get. I asked, invited the sheriff to come in to judge the doors at the beginning of Olympics. We had an Olympic theme going on for the doors, a door decoration. And so he came in with the assistant superintendent to be judges. And while he was here, I’m like, you know what? We have an attendance thing going. How about you give a shout out to the kids, record yourself, telling them about the importance of attendance. And if we get to 94%, the magic number based on the state, you give them a shout out. So he did. And it was really great. I’m like, oh, well, I could expand on this. My media specialist, she taught Miss Maryland in elementary school. And she said, well, I’m not. Could she come and visit? I said, she could come and visit only if she’s going to talk about attendance. We did that. But I thought, I’ll just ask. And I asked, can you do a video for us? 30 seconds, giving a shout out to them because they made 94%. We had a weekly incentive and it’s posted in the main hallway to see who was winning. And she said, of course. So we did that. And then we put a picture of her up on our TV in the main hallway and just question marks, her picture and question marks. And every morning we had trivia. What school did she go to? Could you guess which teacher in the building taught her? Every morning it was a different thing leading up to her visit. And then we had a grand assembly where she came and talked about SMART goals. Attendance was great. And we’ve been averaging. We even got a shout out from the superintendent at our administrative meetings because we were the only middle school to make, the only secondary school to make 94%. We are trying to keep it at that level. But like I said, we look at data as an all-encompassing thing.
Vicki Davis (10:56): So, Debbie, as we finish up, teaching’s hard. Administering’s hard. You know, these are all difficult things. What keeps you going when you have that hard day and you have those voices in your head and you have that… angry parent you dealt with or whatever was just difficult? Because, you know, sometimes things just happen. But look at you at the end of your day. How do you laugh when you’re hurting?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (11:18): My girls, my family, my daughters, I would text them. Sometimes it’s just a text. They’ll say, what’s up now, mom? I’ll just say, I give one of those send a bitmoji or something with an angry face and they will encourage me. My girls, my husband, my brother, they are my backbone. When I have an absolutely awful day, I know I can just call them, text them, even if I’m in the moment and I just send a quick text and they send back something and it’s all good. On the drive home, they will call to just follow up to say, hey, how did things work out? That kind of thing. And just, having them there to talk to, knowing that I can just fall back on them, they will listen. That helps me out a whole lot.
Vicki Davis (12:05): So what’s your word to the teachers who are hurting and struggling and tired? What’s your words of encouragement to them?
Dr. Deborah Dennie (12:12): Find that person that you can just talk to. Because sometimes just talking, it doesn’t have to be that you’re venting, you’re just letting it off your chest. Yes, we want that mental health piece. We can’t say enough about that, but that’s part of the mental health, being able to release, being able to talk to somebody. So find that person who at the end of the day, you can just say, oh my goodness, I had such an awful day. And they’re like, oh, I’m sorry to hear that. And they’re there for you. They have your back. When everything else, when the cloud, when it’s raining on this side, you have sunshine on this side and they’re your sunshine.
Vicki Davis (12:53): I have my sunshine, and I lean on them every day, including today, too. So we’ve been talking with Dr. Deborah Dennie, principal of Leonardtown Middle School in St. Mary’s County, Maryland. She’s been there 10 years. She is a finalist for the 2026 NASSP National Middle Level Principal of the Year, and she’s Maryland’s Middle School Principal of the Year. So, Debbie, congratulations on your recognition, and thanks for encouraging us today.
Dr. Deborah Dennie (13:26): Thank you for having me.
Vicki Davis (13:29): Thanks for tuning in to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful. See you later, educator.
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